Return-Path: Delivered-To: amr.gharbeia@gmail.com Received: by 10.42.179.68 with SMTP id bp4cs35818icb; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 05:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.114.129 with SMTP id c1mr974581yhh.90.1300020919786; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 05:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtpout025.mac.com (asmtpout025.mac.com [17.148.16.100]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 30si6002691yhl.191.2011.03.13.05.55.19; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 05:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mostafayoussef@me.com designates 17.148.16.100 as permitted sender) client-ip=17.148.16.100; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mostafayoussef@me.com designates 17.148.16.100 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mostafayoussef@me.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_uWpWitCHD2xixVKasd3XLQ)" Received: from [192.168.1.6] (unknown [41.131.81.60]) by asmtp025.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LHZ00I48YJ1R790@asmtp025.mac.com>; Sun, 13 Mar 2011 05:55:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-03-13_04:2011-03-11,2011-03-13,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1103130027 Cc: amr.gharbeia@gmail.com, zuzawazuza@yahoo.com, chamounsandy@gmail.com, Lobna Khalil-Darwish , nazlyhussein@gmail.com, punsho_harpy@yahoo.com, ahm.fat7y@hotmail.com, demos-2007@hotmail.com, fadyawad95@gmail.com, Aida Elkashef , salma abutaleb , yassin.gaber@gmail.com, Jano Charbel , riminiran@gmail.com, Ahmad Gharbeia , kholoud bidak , sarahmareacarr@gmail.com Message-id: From: Mostafa Youssef To: Leil Zahra In-reply-to: <4D7C00B9.60906@riseup.net> Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_correct_Nazly=B4s_email_in_the_list?= Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 14:54:37 +0200 References: <5B5A8075-4C85-4AE7-A7CE-4638BE9CBF52@me.com> <4D7BFF21.2050907@riseup.net> <4D7C00B9.60906@riseup.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-getmail-retrieved-from-mailbox: [Gmail]/All Mail X-GMAIL-THRID: 1363116046308501192 X-GMAIL-MSGID: 1363170735613682745 --Boundary_(ID_uWpWitCHD2xixVKasd3XLQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, for security reasons we suggest that we don't meet in the commune =20 today. Instead, Khaled Abdallah has generously offered that we meet =20 in one of Zero Production's spaces in 19A Adly St. (next to the =20 synagogue) Downtown the 7th floor. see you all today at 6. mostafa/lobna On Mar 13, 2011, at 1:24 AM, Leil Zahra wrote: > Nazly=B4s email was misspelled in the previous communication. I just =20= > forwarded all messages to her (including the amazing minutes made by =20= > Mostafa). Please reply to this email not the previous ones. > > Leil Zahra escribi=F3: >> Dear all, >> >> In preparation for the meeting tomorrow at 6 p.m. at the commune, =20 >> if you have time take a look at the following things that are =20 >> important. If you don=B4t have time, it is o.k. I will bring them =20 >> printed tomorrow. >> >> But first a quick update, I talked to the New-IMC list and the tech =20= >> list and both are excited to have us with them. We still didn=B4t get = =20 >> official approval because we have to fill some forms (which I=B4m =20 >> including below and bringing them with me tomorrow for those who don=20= >> =B4t have time to check them online) >> >> I also solicited a working group e-mail list for us to use and =20 >> spare ourselves the multiple email addresses in every =20 >> correspondence. The list will be hosted on the IMC server and it =20 >> will be archived so we can always log in and read old emails. This =20= >> will help us have minutes of our discussions without having to =20 >> worry where and how to save them. It was supposed to await approval =20= >> by the New-IMC first, but the IMC-List people jumped the rules and =20= >> created one for us and we have it. I just sent you all invitations =20= >> to join. If you are interested in joining the project please accept =20= >> the invitation and we can start discussing there as soon as =20 >> everyone has joined. (Yaaaay :) it seems we started getting people =20= >> to jump the rules just for us :)) the list is = imc-cairo@lists.indymedia.org >> >> If you are using hotmail or other capitalist email hosts, please =20 >> check your spam folder for the invitation. Those thugs tend to =20 >> block emails from rise-up and other alternative email hosts. >> >> Lobna, I have included you in the last email I sent to the New-IMC =20= >> list. I will send you a private email explaining how to join the =20 >> list. >> >> I also wrote to many geek friends who can set-up pages and we are =20 >> discussing possible platforms. We believe Wordpress (which seems to =20= >> be the most familiar one to the majority in our group) could be a =20 >> valid choice. Keep your fingers crossed. Hopefully tomorrow I will =20= >> have more information. >> >> I also contacted people abroad who might be interested in doing =20 >> translation work for us. I have some confirmations already. So once =20= >> we have the website approved, we will create a translators list and =20= >> put everyone to work for us :) >> >> Suggested points to be added on the agenda of tomorrow=B4s meeting >> >> 1- We to decide on at least two people to administrate the list, =20 >> which is basically accepting emails of those who are NOT on our =20 >> list and not from our group but want to ask us something. This is =20 >> to avoid spam and unrelated information. >> 2- Language used in email discussion, choosing a language that =20 >> everyone is comfortable using. >> 3- Agree on some Indymedia documents (general principles and codes) >> a) IMC Principles of Unity (they can be read on this link = https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/PrinciplesOfUnity=20 >> ) (scroll down for the English text) >> b) IMC membership criteris (on the following link, also scroll =20 >> down for English) = https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/MembershipCriteria >> c) NIMC mission statement = https://docs.indymedia.org/Global/MissionStatement >> 4- If we have time and energy then maybe we can start preparing our =20= >> own mission statement and editorial policy. For this maybe it would =20= >> be a good idea to take a look at those of Indymedia Beirut. You can =20= >> read it here: http://beirut.indymedia.org/static/about_ar.shtml >> 5- I=B4m not sure if everyone is familiar with the Consensus Decision = =20 >> Making Process, but it is an important tool for IMCs worldwide, so =20= >> maybe it would be good going over it unless we are all clear on it =20= >> (anyone can prepare for a small presentation about it just in case =20= >> we need it?). >> >> I=B4m sorry if this sounds too much, usually this is done with time, =20= >> but as we all said we want to have this as soon as possible. And =20 >> "bureaucracy" is always boring, but once all is done we don=B4t need =20= >> to worry about such things. It will be like blogging as we said. =20 >> Checking all this information is also important to learn a bit =20 >> about what Indymedia and why it became and important tool for =20 >> change. Not just as a news portal, but also as a way of doing =20 >> political activism >> >> Please feel free to froward this to trusted people who might be =20 >> interested, and invite them to the meeting. Hope you are still =20 >> excited after this long email :) >> >> See you all tomorrow, >> Leil-Zahra >> >> Mostafa Youssef escribi=F3: >>> + CORRECTION OF ATTACHED EMAIL LIST + PLEASE USE THIS EMAIL LIST =20 >>> IN REPLIES AND DISCUSSIONS + >>> ------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> Dear All, >>> We met with Leil from Lebanon/Barcelona at the commune today the =20 >>> 11th of March. to discuss the start of an Indymedia chapter in =20 >>> Cairo. This email is sent to you because you were either in the =20 >>> meeting or interested in participating in the project. >>> >>> A meeting on Sunday 6pm is scheduled at the commune to set up a =20 >>> team and work mechanism for the Indymedia Cairo chapter. >>> Meanwhile and until then >>> The following are brief minutes for what was discussed at the =20 >>> meeting: >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D >>> Leil started by giving a brief introduction of how Indymedia.org =20 >>> started out in 1999: during the Seattle events, many activists =20 >>> were furious about the media coverage and they decided to work on =20= >>> what they called: don't hate the media, be the media. and they =20 >>> created Indymedia. >>> Since then it has had many chapters around the world, in the Arab =20= >>> world there was two: Indymedia Beirut which Leil was active in but =20= >>> ended due to the absence of active members, and Indymedia =20 >>> Jerusalem which was split over internal Palestinian quarrels! >>> >>> They had tried to start up one in Iraq, but they couldn't get a =20 >>> full agreement on the Indymedia core principles in the Iraqi group =20= >>> so it never made it. >>> >>> The core principles are: no censorship except on racist or sexist =20= >>> issues, to be completely open to people's entries and reports. >>> These principles along with Indymedia's big presence attracts =20 >>> Trolls (fake news distributors!) `so they created mechanisms in =20 >>> the page to deal with trolls and to have an editorial team which =20 >>> leads the reporting. >>> >>> Amr raised a question of having already a hub of reporting news =20 >>> from Egypt to the outside world which is Global Voices Online. =20 >>> This opened a discussion on GlobalVoices Online vs Indymedia. It =20= >>> was decided IM is a better preference because GV has two main =20 >>> issues: central control, and liberal choices overriding truth of =20 >>> reporting. >>> >>> Leil also discussed using webstreaming on minipimer.tv = >> > which is open source software for streaming, either to embed it, =20= >>> if technically possible, or to set it up somewhere else and =20 >>> advertise it on Indymedia. >>> >>> Group agrees to attempt at setting up Indymedia, Leil says he =20 >>> already sent Indymedia.org asking to set up a local chapter. We =20 >>> briefly discuss whether egypt chapter or cairo chapter, then =20 >>> decide on Cairo because most of our focus will be local, and it =20 >>> allows other groups to set up other cities on their own, also you =20= >>> can always report about other cities from cairo. >>> >>> Agreed on cairo.indymedia.com and as =20= >>> we wait for Indymedia.org's response we need to choose a team! so =20= >>> we decide on a Meeting on Sunday 6pm to take more direct steps. >>> >>> Lastly, Leil asks for another person to coordinate with him =20 >>> correspondence with indymedia.org, we decide it will be Lobna. >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D >>> >>> Best, Mostafa >> >> > --Boundary_(ID_uWpWitCHD2xixVKasd3XLQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,

for = security reasons we suggest that we don't meet in the commune today. =  Instead, Khaled Abdallah has generously offered that we meet in = one of Zero Production's spaces in 19A Adly St. (next to the 
Nazly=B4= s email was misspelled in the previous communication. I just forwarded = all messages to her (including the amazing minutes made by Mostafa). = Please reply to this email not the previous ones.

Leil Zahra = escribi=F3:
Dear = all,

In preparation = for the meeting tomorrow at 6 p.m. at the commune, if you have time take = a look at the following things that are important. If you don=B4t have = time, it is o.k. I will bring them printed = tomorrow.

But first a = quick update, I talked to the New-IMC list and the tech list and both = are excited to have us with them. We still didn=B4t get official = approval because we have to fill some forms (which I=B4m including below = and bringing them with me tomorrow for those who don=B4t have time to = check them online)

I also = solicited a working group e-mail list for us to use and spare ourselves = the multiple email addresses in every correspondence. The list will be = hosted on the IMC server and it will be archived so we can always log in = and read old emails. This will help us have minutes of our discussions = without having to worry where and how to save them. It was supposed to = await approval by the New-IMC first, but the IMC-List people jumped the = rules and created one for us and we have it. I just sent you all = invitations to join. If you are interested in joining the project please = accept the invitation and we can start discussing there as soon as = everyone has joined. (Yaaaay :) it seems we started getting people to = jump the rules just for us :)) the list is imc-cairo@lists.indymedia.or= g

If you are = using hotmail or other capitalist email hosts, please check your spam = folder for the invitation. Those thugs tend to block emails from rise-up = and other alternative email hosts.

Lobna, I have = included you in the last email I sent to the New-IMC list. I will send = you a private email explaining how to join the = list.

I also wrote to = many geek friends who can set-up pages and we are discussing possible = platforms. We believe Wordpress (which seems to be the most familiar one = to the majority in our group) could be a valid choice. Keep your fingers = crossed. Hopefully tomorrow I will have more = information.

I also = contacted people abroad who might be interested in doing translation = work for us. I have some confirmations already. So once we have the = website approved, we will create a translators list and put everyone to = work for us :)

Suggested = points to be added on the agenda of tomorrow=B4s = meeting

1- We to decide = on at least two people to administrate the list, which is basically = accepting emails of those who are NOT on our list and not from our group = but want to ask us something. This is to avoid spam and unrelated = information.
2- Language used = in email discussion, choosing a language that everyone is comfortable = using.
3- Agree on some = Indymedia documents (general principles and = codes)
  a) IMC = Principles of Unity (they can be read on this link https://= docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/PrinciplesOfUnity ) (scroll down for = the English text)
=   b) IMC membership criteris (on the following link, also = scroll down for English) https:/= /docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/MembershipCriteria
  c) NIMC mission statement https://docs.i= ndymedia.org/Global/MissionStatement
4- If we have time and energy then maybe we can start = preparing our own mission statement and editorial policy. For this maybe = it would be a good idea to take a look at those of Indymedia Beirut. You = can read it here: http://beirut.i= ndymedia.org/static/about_ar.shtml
5- I=B4m not sure if everyone is familiar with the = Consensus Decision Making Process, but it is an important tool for IMCs = worldwide, so maybe it would be good going over it unless we are all = clear on it (anyone can prepare for a small presentation about it just = in case we need it?).

I=B4m sorry if = this sounds too much, usually this is done with time, but as we all said = we want to have this as soon as possible. And "bureaucracy" is always = boring, but once all is done we don=B4t need to worry about such things. = It will be like blogging as we said. Checking all this information is = also important to learn a bit about what Indymedia and why it became and = important tool for change. Not just as a news portal, but also as a way = of doing political activism

Please feel = free to froward this to trusted people who might be interested, and = invite them to the meeting. Hope you are still excited after this long = email :)

See you all = tomorrow,
Leil-Zahra

Mostafa Youssef = escribi=F3:
+ CORRECTION OF ATTACHED EMAIL LIST + PLEASE USE THIS = EMAIL LIST IN REPLIES AND DISCUSSIONS = +
-------------------------------


Dear = All,
We met with Leil from Lebanon/Barcelona at the commune = today the 11th of March. to discuss the start of an Indymedia chapter in = Cairo. This email is sent to you because you were either in the meeting = or interested in participating in the = project.

A meeting on Sunday 6pm is = scheduled at the commune to set up a team and work mechanism for the = Indymedia Cairo chapter.
Meanwhile and until = then
The following are brief minutes for what was discussed at = the meeting:

=3D=3D=3D=3D
Leil started by giving a brief = introduction of how Indymedia.org started out in 1999: during the = Seattle events, many activists were furious about the media coverage and = they decided to work on what they called: don't hate the media, be the = media. and they created = Indymedia.
Since then it has had many = chapters around the world, in the Arab world there was two: Indymedia = Beirut which Leil was active in but ended due to the absence of active = members, and Indymedia Jerusalem which was split over internal = Palestinian quarrels!

They had tried to start up one = in Iraq, but they couldn't get a full agreement on the Indymedia core = principles in the Iraqi group so it never made = it.

The core principles are: no = censorship except on racist or sexist issues, to be completely open to = people's entries and reports.
These principles along with = Indymedia's big presence attracts Trolls (fake news distributors!) `so = they created mechanisms in the page to deal with trolls and to have an = editorial team which leads the = reporting.

Amr raised a question of having = already a hub of reporting news from Egypt to the outside world which is = Global Voices Online. This opened a discussion on GlobalVoices Online vs = Indymedia.  It was decided IM is a better preference because GV has = two main issues: central control, and liberal choices overriding truth = of reporting.

Leil also discussed using = webstreaming on minipimer.tv <http://minipimer.tv/> which is open = source software for streaming, either to embed it, if technically = possible, or to set it up somewhere else and advertise it on = Indymedia.

Group agrees to attempt at = setting up Indymedia, Leil says he already sent Indymedia.org asking to = set up a local chapter. We briefly discuss whether egypt chapter or = cairo chapter, then decide on Cairo because most of our focus will be = local, and it allows other groups to set up other cities on their own, = also you can always report about other cities from = cairo.

Agreed on cairo.indymedia.com = <http://cairo.indymedia.com/> = and as we wait for Indymedia.org's response we need to choose a team! so = we decide on a Meeting on Sunday 6pm to take more direct = steps.

Lastly, Leil asks for another = person to coordinate with him correspondence with indymedia.org, we = decide it will be Lobna.
=3D=3D=3D=3D

Best, = Mostafa




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