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Hi all,

for security reasons we suggest that we don't meet in the commune =20
today.  Instead, Khaled Abdallah has generously offered that we meet =20
in one of Zero Production's spaces in 19A Adly St. (next to the =20
synagogue) Downtown the 7th floor.

see you all today at 6.
mostafa/lobna


On Mar 13, 2011, at 1:24 AM, Leil Zahra wrote:

> Nazly=B4s email was misspelled in the previous communication. I just =20=

> forwarded all messages to her (including the amazing minutes made by =20=

> Mostafa). Please reply to this email not the previous ones.
>
> Leil Zahra escribi=F3:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> In preparation for the meeting tomorrow at 6 p.m. at the commune, =20
>> if you have time take a look at the following things that are =20
>> important. If you don=B4t have time, it is o.k. I will bring them =20
>> printed tomorrow.
>>
>> But first a quick update, I talked to the New-IMC list and the tech =20=

>> list and both are excited to have us with them. We still didn=B4t get =
=20
>> official approval because we have to fill some forms (which I=B4m =20
>> including below and bringing them with me tomorrow for those who don=20=

>> =B4t have time to check them online)
>>
>> I also solicited a working group e-mail list for us to use and =20
>> spare ourselves the multiple email addresses in every =20
>> correspondence. The list will be hosted on the IMC server and it =20
>> will be archived so we can always log in and read old emails. This =20=

>> will help us have minutes of our discussions without having to =20
>> worry where and how to save them. It was supposed to await approval =20=

>> by the New-IMC first, but the IMC-List people jumped the rules and =20=

>> created one for us and we have it. I just sent you all invitations =20=

>> to join. If you are interested in joining the project please accept =20=

>> the invitation and we can start discussing there as soon as =20
>> everyone has joined. (Yaaaay :) it seems we started getting people =20=

>> to jump the rules just for us :)) the list is =
imc-cairo@lists.indymedia.org
>>
>> If you are using hotmail or other capitalist email hosts, please =20
>> check your spam folder for the invitation. Those thugs tend to =20
>> block emails from rise-up and other alternative email hosts.
>>
>> Lobna, I have included you in the last email I sent to the New-IMC =20=

>> list. I will send you a private email explaining how to join the =20
>> list.
>>
>> I also wrote to many geek friends who can set-up pages and we are =20
>> discussing possible platforms. We believe Wordpress (which seems to =20=

>> be the most familiar one to the majority in our group) could be a =20
>> valid choice. Keep your fingers crossed. Hopefully tomorrow I will =20=

>> have more information.
>>
>> I also contacted people abroad who might be interested in doing =20
>> translation work for us. I have some confirmations already. So once =20=

>> we have the website approved, we will create a translators list and =20=

>> put everyone to work for us :)
>>
>> Suggested points to be added on the agenda of tomorrow=B4s meeting
>>
>> 1- We to decide on at least two people to administrate the list, =20
>> which is basically accepting emails of those who are NOT on our =20
>> list and not from our group but want to ask us something. This is =20
>> to avoid spam and unrelated information.
>> 2- Language used in email discussion, choosing a language that =20
>> everyone is comfortable using.
>> 3- Agree on some Indymedia documents (general principles and codes)
>>   a) IMC Principles of Unity (they can be read on this link =
https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/PrinciplesOfUnity=20
>>  ) (scroll down for the English text)
>>   b) IMC membership criteris (on the following link, also scroll =20
>> down for English) =
https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/MembershipCriteria
>>   c) NIMC mission statement =
https://docs.indymedia.org/Global/MissionStatement
>> 4- If we have time and energy then maybe we can start preparing our =20=

>> own mission statement and editorial policy. For this maybe it would =20=

>> be a good idea to take a look at those of Indymedia Beirut. You can =20=

>> read it here: http://beirut.indymedia.org/static/about_ar.shtml
>> 5- I=B4m not sure if everyone is familiar with the Consensus Decision =
=20
>> Making Process, but it is an important tool for IMCs worldwide, so =20=

>> maybe it would be good going over it unless we are all clear on it =20=

>> (anyone can prepare for a small presentation about it just in case =20=

>> we need it?).
>>
>> I=B4m sorry if this sounds too much, usually this is done with time, =20=

>> but as we all said we want to have this as soon as possible. And =20
>> "bureaucracy" is always boring, but once all is done we don=B4t need =20=

>> to worry about such things. It will be like blogging as we said. =20
>> Checking all this information is also important to learn a bit =20
>> about what Indymedia and why it became and important tool for =20
>> change. Not just as a news portal, but also as a way of doing =20
>> political activism
>>
>> Please feel free to froward this to trusted people who might be =20
>> interested, and invite them to the meeting. Hope you are still =20
>> excited after this long email :)
>>
>> See you all tomorrow,
>> Leil-Zahra
>>
>> Mostafa Youssef escribi=F3:
>>> + CORRECTION OF ATTACHED EMAIL LIST + PLEASE USE THIS EMAIL LIST =20
>>> IN REPLIES AND DISCUSSIONS +
>>> -------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear All,
>>> We met with Leil from Lebanon/Barcelona at the commune today the =20
>>> 11th of March. to discuss the start of an Indymedia chapter in =20
>>> Cairo. This email is sent to you because you were either in the =20
>>> meeting or interested in participating in the project.
>>>
>>> A meeting on Sunday 6pm is scheduled at the commune to set up a =20
>>> team and work mechanism for the Indymedia Cairo chapter.
>>> Meanwhile and until then
>>> The following are brief minutes for what was discussed at the =20
>>> meeting:
>>>
>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D
>>> Leil started by giving a brief introduction of how Indymedia.org =20
>>> started out in 1999: during the Seattle events, many activists =20
>>> were furious about the media coverage and they decided to work on =20=

>>> what they called: don't hate the media, be the media. and they =20
>>> created Indymedia.
>>> Since then it has had many chapters around the world, in the Arab =20=

>>> world there was two: Indymedia Beirut which Leil was active in but =20=

>>> ended due to the absence of active members, and Indymedia =20
>>> Jerusalem which was split over internal Palestinian quarrels!
>>>
>>> They had tried to start up one in Iraq, but they couldn't get a =20
>>> full agreement on the Indymedia core principles in the Iraqi group =20=

>>> so it never made it.
>>>
>>> The core principles are: no censorship except on racist or sexist =20=

>>> issues, to be completely open to people's entries and reports.
>>> These principles along with Indymedia's big presence attracts =20
>>> Trolls (fake news distributors!) `so they created mechanisms in =20
>>> the page to deal with trolls and to have an editorial team which =20
>>> leads the reporting.
>>>
>>> Amr raised a question of having already a hub of reporting news =20
>>> from Egypt to the outside world which is Global Voices Online. =20
>>> This opened a discussion on GlobalVoices Online vs Indymedia.  It =20=

>>> was decided IM is a better preference because GV has two main =20
>>> issues: central control, and liberal choices overriding truth of =20
>>> reporting.
>>>
>>> Leil also discussed using webstreaming on minipimer.tv =
<http://minipimer.tv/=20
>>> > which is open source software for streaming, either to embed it, =20=

>>> if technically possible, or to set it up somewhere else and =20
>>> advertise it on Indymedia.
>>>
>>> Group agrees to attempt at setting up Indymedia, Leil says he =20
>>> already sent Indymedia.org asking to set up a local chapter. We =20
>>> briefly discuss whether egypt chapter or cairo chapter, then =20
>>> decide on Cairo because most of our focus will be local, and it =20
>>> allows other groups to set up other cities on their own, also you =20=

>>> can always report about other cities from cairo.
>>>
>>> Agreed on cairo.indymedia.com <http://cairo.indymedia.com/> and as =20=

>>> we wait for Indymedia.org's response we need to choose a team! so =20=

>>> we decide on a Meeting on Sunday 6pm to take more direct steps.
>>>
>>> Lastly, Leil asks for another person to coordinate with him =20
>>> correspondence with indymedia.org, we decide it will be Lobna.
>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D
>>>
>>> Best, Mostafa
>>
>>
>


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<html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi all,<div><br></div><div>for =
security reasons we suggest that we don't meet in the commune today. =
&nbsp;Instead, Khaled Abdallah has generously offered that we meet in =
one of Zero Production's spaces in 19A Adly St. (next to the&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: arial, sans-serif; =
line-height: 15px; "><em style=3D"font-style: normal; =
">synagogue</em><em style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; =
">)</em></span>&nbsp;Downtown the 7th =
floor.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>see you all today at =
6.</div><div>mostafa/lobna</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>On=
 Mar 13, 2011, at 1:24 AM, Leil Zahra wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>Nazly=B4=
s email was misspelled in the previous communication. I just forwarded =
all messages to her (including the amazing minutes made by Mostafa). =
Please reply to this email not the previous ones.<br><br>Leil Zahra =
escribi=F3:<br><blockquote type=3D"cite">Dear =
all,<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">In preparation =
for the meeting tomorrow at 6 p.m. at the commune, if you have time take =
a look at the following things that are important. If you don=B4t have =
time, it is o.k. I will bring them printed =
tomorrow.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">But first a =
quick update, I talked to the New-IMC list and the tech list and both =
are excited to have us with them. We still didn=B4t get official =
approval because we have to fill some forms (which I=B4m including below =
and bringing them with me tomorrow for those who don=B4t have time to =
check them online)<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">I also =
solicited a working group e-mail list for us to use and spare ourselves =
the multiple email addresses in every correspondence. The list will be =
hosted on the IMC server and it will be archived so we can always log in =
and read old emails. This will help us have minutes of our discussions =
without having to worry where and how to save them. It was supposed to =
await approval by the New-IMC first, but the IMC-List people jumped the =
rules and created one for us and we have it. I just sent you all =
invitations to join. If you are interested in joining the project please =
accept the invitation and we can start discussing there as soon as =
everyone has joined. (Yaaaay :) it seems we started getting people to =
jump the rules just for us :)) the list is <a =
href=3D"mailto:imc-cairo@lists.indymedia.org">imc-cairo@lists.indymedia.or=
g</a><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">If you are =
using hotmail or other capitalist email hosts, please check your spam =
folder for the invitation. Those thugs tend to block emails from rise-up =
and other alternative email hosts.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Lobna, I have =
included you in the last email I sent to the New-IMC list. I will send =
you a private email explaining how to join the =
list.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">I also wrote to =
many geek friends who can set-up pages and we are discussing possible =
platforms. We believe Wordpress (which seems to be the most familiar one =
to the majority in our group) could be a valid choice. Keep your fingers =
crossed. Hopefully tomorrow I will have more =
information.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">I also =
contacted people abroad who might be interested in doing translation =
work for us. I have some confirmations already. So once we have the =
website approved, we will create a translators list and put everyone to =
work for us :)<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Suggested =
points to be added on the agenda of tomorrow=B4s =
meeting<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">1- We to decide =
on at least two people to administrate the list, which is basically =
accepting emails of those who are NOT on our list and not from our group =
but want to ask us something. This is to avoid spam and unrelated =
information.<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">2- Language used =
in email discussion, choosing a language that everyone is comfortable =
using.<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">3- Agree on some =
Indymedia documents (general principles and =
codes)<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> &nbsp;&nbsp;a) IMC =
Principles of Unity (they can be read on this link <a =
href=3D"https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/PrinciplesOfUnity">https://=
docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/PrinciplesOfUnity</a> ) (scroll down for =
the English text)<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"> =
&nbsp;&nbsp;b) IMC membership criteris (on the following link, also =
scroll down for English) <a =
href=3D"https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/MembershipCriteria">https:/=
/docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/MembershipCriteria</a><br></blockquote><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite"> &nbsp;&nbsp;c) NIMC mission statement <a =
href=3D"https://docs.indymedia.org/Global/MissionStatement">https://docs.i=
ndymedia.org/Global/MissionStatement</a><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">4- If we have time and energy then maybe we can start =
preparing our own mission statement and editorial policy. For this maybe =
it would be a good idea to take a look at those of Indymedia Beirut. You =
can read it here: <a =
href=3D"http://beirut.indymedia.org/static/about_ar.shtml">http://beirut.i=
ndymedia.org/static/about_ar.shtml</a><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">5- I=B4m not sure if everyone is familiar with the =
Consensus Decision Making Process, but it is an important tool for IMCs =
worldwide, so maybe it would be good going over it unless we are all =
clear on it (anyone can prepare for a small presentation about it just =
in case we need it?).<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">I=B4m sorry if =
this sounds too much, usually this is done with time, but as we all said =
we want to have this as soon as possible. And "bureaucracy" is always =
boring, but once all is done we don=B4t need to worry about such things. =
It will be like blogging as we said. Checking all this information is =
also important to learn a bit about what Indymedia and why it became and =
important tool for change. Not just as a news portal, but also as a way =
of doing political activism<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Please feel =
free to froward this to trusted people who might be interested, and =
invite them to the meeting. Hope you are still excited after this long =
email :)<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">See you all =
tomorrow,<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Leil-Zahra<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Mostafa Youssef =
escribi=F3:<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">+ CORRECTION OF ATTACHED EMAIL LIST + PLEASE USE THIS =
EMAIL LIST IN REPLIES AND DISCUSSIONS =
+<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">-------------------------------<br></blockquote></blockquote=
><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Dear =
All,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">We met with Leil from Lebanon/Barcelona at the commune =
today the 11th of March. to discuss the start of an Indymedia chapter in =
Cairo. This email is sent to you because you were either in the meeting =
or interested in participating in the =
project.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">A meeting on Sunday 6pm is =
scheduled at the commune to set up a team and work mechanism for the =
Indymedia Cairo chapter.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Meanwhile and until =
then<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">The following are brief minutes for what was discussed at =
the meeting:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">=3D=3D=3D=3D<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Leil started by giving a brief =
introduction of how Indymedia.org started out in 1999: during the =
Seattle events, many activists were furious about the media coverage and =
they decided to work on what they called: don't hate the media, be the =
media. and they created =
Indymedia.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Since then it has had many =
chapters around the world, in the Arab world there was two: Indymedia =
Beirut which Leil was active in but ended due to the absence of active =
members, and Indymedia Jerusalem which was split over internal =
Palestinian quarrels!<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">They had tried to start up one =
in Iraq, but they couldn't get a full agreement on the Indymedia core =
principles in the Iraqi group so it never made =
it.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">The core principles are: no =
censorship except on racist or sexist issues, to be completely open to =
people's entries and reports.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">These principles along with =
Indymedia's big presence attracts Trolls (fake news distributors!) `so =
they created mechanisms in the page to deal with trolls and to have an =
editorial team which leads the =
reporting.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Amr raised a question of having =
already a hub of reporting news from Egypt to the outside world which is =
Global Voices Online. This opened a discussion on GlobalVoices Online vs =
Indymedia. &nbsp;It was decided IM is a better preference because GV has =
two main issues: central control, and liberal choices overriding truth =
of reporting.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Leil also discussed using =
webstreaming on minipimer.tv &lt;<a =
href=3D"http://minipimer.tv/">http://minipimer.tv/</a>&gt; which is open =
source software for streaming, either to embed it, if technically =
possible, or to set it up somewhere else and advertise it on =
Indymedia.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Group agrees to attempt at =
setting up Indymedia, Leil says he already sent Indymedia.org asking to =
set up a local chapter. We briefly discuss whether egypt chapter or =
cairo chapter, then decide on Cairo because most of our focus will be =
local, and it allows other groups to set up other cities on their own, =
also you can always report about other cities from =
cairo.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Agreed on cairo.indymedia.com =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"http://cairo.indymedia.com/">http://cairo.indymedia.com/</a>&gt; =
and as we wait for Indymedia.org's response we need to choose a team! so =
we decide on a Meeting on Sunday 6pm to take more direct =
steps.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Lastly, Leil asks for another =
person to coordinate with him correspondence with indymedia.org, we =
decide it will be Lobna.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">=3D=3D=3D=3D<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Best, =
Mostafa<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><br></div></blockquote></div><br></body></h=
tml>=

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